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  • gsaugen

    1 abril, 2013

    There are Brazilian soccer clubs that pay salaries AS HIGH AS those paid by European ones. Messi could work in Brazil and get what he gets in Barcelona, for example. However, I guess for a soccer player it’s far better to work in some European countries (Britain, Spain, Italy, France…) because of life quality (low criminality, very good health and transport system, etc).

  • Luciano gozo

    1 abril, 2013

    Yeah, there are some players in Brazil, although the biggest dream for any player is Europe.

    Rivalry in soccer is fine, but that rivalry has also existed in every aspect of life: politics, economy, etc. When Argentina almost designed what would have become the first nuclear bomb ever invented in Latin America in the ’70s, the US intervened because it feared Brazil would invent sth like that to compete. Then they created ABACC, and until now both countries check each other’s nuclear stuff.

  • gsaugen

    1 abril, 2013

    The only rivalry between Argentina and Brazil that is acceptable and good is SOCCER! Everybody knows Brazilian soccer players are far better than the “hermanos!” Everybody knows Pelé is better than Maradona. JUST KIDDING! There are good players born in Argentina. Every Brazilian citizen loves Messi whenever he plays. In fact there are many Argentine players that prefer to work in Brazil because the rich salaries Brazilian clubs pay them!

  • Luciano gozo

    1 abril, 2013

    Definetly. It’s not just the language, but the whole culture. Argentines and Uruguayans eat the same, speak the same dialect, they both use “voseo” which practically doesn’t exist in the rest of the Spanish-speaking world, some iconic stuff like tango, mate, dulce de leche and asado are part of their lives. They’re the same which was separated into two, for imperialistic interests and the British diplomatics.

    And yes, rivalry between Arg. and Brazil is EPIC!

  • gsaugen

    1 abril, 2013

    Another example of the eternal rivalry between Argentina and Brazil and the conquest of lands is the Cisplatine war. It was necessary to create a third country (Uruguay) after many deaths to end the dispute.To me Uruguayans are just Argentines because they speak Spanish and their customs are similar.I guess some Uruguayans won’t like my words but Uruguay should be an Argentine province.

  • Luciano gozo

    1 abril, 2013

    I agree… Paraguay was actually part of the Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata, which is technically Argentina, before the revolution in 1810. But it would have been better for them to remain part of Argentina… at least the Paraguayan male population wouldn’t have been put on the brink of extinction, then.

    Whatever…

  • gsaugen

    1 abril, 2013

    Poor Paraguay! In general Paraguayans love Brazil and Argentina but if I was a Paraguayan I’d hate both countries for everything they’ve done and stolen in the wars of colonial times! If Brazil and Argentina were imperialistic superpowers in the past, I guess it’d be better for Paraguayans if Paraguay had been annexed as an Argentine province or Brazilian state after the war.

  • Luciano gozo

    1 abril, 2013

    Ok. I was talking about the past, actually. I know Brazil is self-sufficient now and it has a truly developed oil industry. What I was saying is that in the past Argentine achieved self-sufficiency and it was not only the most important country in South America, but one of the 10 largest economies globally, waaaay ahead of Brazil (AT THAT TIME).

  • Luciano gozo

    1 abril, 2013

    But Argentina and Brazil wouldn’t be the biggest countries and wouldn’t have the largest economies in the region, if it wasn’t for that imperialistic past. The US wouldn’t have been what it is today if they hadn’t stolen half of Mexico.

  • gaston baerhard

    1 abril, 2013

    d q hablas sorete? el 86% d los argentinos son d ascendencia europea d q 50% de indios hablas estupido? pendejo pelotudo informate antes d comentar salame

  • gsaugen

    1 abril, 2013

    Brazil is an important oil/gas producer in L.America and the world’s second largest ethanol fuel producer. Its multinational energy corporation PETROBRAS is a big oil producer, with output of more than 2 million barrels of oil equivalent per day, as well as a major distributor of oil products. In 2003, Petrobras acquired Argentina’s largest oil company PECOM Energía S.A., and its operational bases in Bolivia, Peru and Paraguay. In 2006, Petrobras achieved Brazilian SELF-SUFFICIENCY in oil.

  • gsaugen

    1 abril, 2013

    It’s true,Brazil imports many goods from abroad even from Argentina (Argentine apples are the best in the world; Argentine wheat flour is, for Brazil, cheaper, so it’d be stupid not to import it from the “hermanos”; Argentine cars are cheaper than Brazilian ones). Brazil imports goods because it’s economically convenient, however it can produce them for it has the means to do it. As to oil production, you’re wrong.

  • gsaugen

    1 abril, 2013

    I glad you mention Paraguay. It was the worse example of Argentine and Brazilian imperialism. Historians say Paraguay was a grand, developed country in that time… and see what it’s now! It’s a shame for Brazil and Argentina to have devasted such a neighboring country, with so many deaths and industry destruction!

  • Luciano gozo

    1 abril, 2013

    Now Brazil may be the seventh largest economy in the world, while Argentina is only twentieh (even if both are the only two South American countries to be part of the G-20). History teaches us that no country holds superiority indefinitely… eventually things change. Unfortunatelly, Argentina was also an imperialistic country by then… most of Paraguay, parts of Bolivia and parts of Chile are now part of Argentine territory. Same case as Brazil.

  • Luciano gozo

    1 abril, 2013

    Oh, no.. you got it all wrong. Argentina became a rich, industrialized country before Brazil. Before 1930, when Argentina was called “El Granero del Mundo”, which means “Granary of the world” or “Breadbasket of the world” (as this South American country fed the whole European population), Argentina was the eighth or seventh biggest economy in the world. With regard to oil production It was also self-sufficient, while Brazil was hugely poor (as it is today), but also undeveloped and had to import

  • gsaugen

    1 abril, 2013

    I disagree, I’m sorry to inform the giant Brazil was an important country at that distant time while Argentina was nothing… as it continues to be today. Carlota Joaquina, Brazilian emperor’s wife did NOT intend to divorce from the emperor in order to be “La Reina de La Plata”. So, call it imperalism or not, Brazil intended to annex Argentina, to tell the truth. History teaches us so.

  • Luciano gozo

    1 abril, 2013

    Jajajajajaj están acorralados entre los terremotos, los volcanes y los tsunamis. Nosotros no tenemos nada que ver ajjaja

  • Luciano gozo

    1 abril, 2013

    It was a project to fuse both countries, merge them into one. Not make one of them become a colony of another one or sth like that…

  • NordicFreakies

    1 abril, 2013

    @drtony1068 @boliboy2299 ¿es en serio esta conversación señores?

  • gsaugen

    1 abril, 2013

    Does anyone know Argentina almost become part of Brazil? In the colonial times, Spain-born Carlota Joaquina,emperor of Brazil’s wife, thought she was the only Spanish Royal family heiress once her family were held in prison in France by Napoleon’s forces. She planned to send armies to occupy Buenos Aires and northern Argentina to crown herself “Queen of La Plata”.Brazil only managed to annex the eastern banks of the Rio de la Plata (Uruguay) between 1822-1828. (GILBERTO SAUGEN from Brazil)

  • elreformado

    1 abril, 2013

    No está mal, al menos este primero no abunda en el jodido nacionalismo.

  • xavierignatius

    1 abril, 2013

    Por lo menos tenemos los pies libre en el sur

  • emiblindside

    1 abril, 2013

    la cordillera los tiene apretaos, no nosotros 😛

  • xavierignatius

    1 abril, 2013

    oigan argentinos corranse un poco, nos tienen apretaos, como tanto egoismo!!

  • Hendrik Zenderos

    1 abril, 2013

    LO SACO D UN CANAL E.E